Thursday, September 16, 2010

William Cooper's Mystery Babylon: Part 18 - Lucifer Worship

Transcribed by wakingup72 @


Welcome once again, folks, to the Hour of the Time. I'm your host, William Cooper. We'll start off tonight's show with the Socialist national anthem.

(opening music: Born Under A Bad Sign, sung by Homer Simpson of The Simpsons)

(laughing) Oh, I love it! The Socialist national anthem: "Born Under A Bad Sign".

Folks, tonight's episode of Mystery Babylon, the 18th hour. I'm going to take directly verbatim from chapter nine of A. Ralph Epperson's book, called The New World Order. He's going to be a guest on the show soon, and you'll know why once you hear what...what we got to say tonight. So pay attention, and remember, as always, as always, just because I'm giving you this series of Mystery Babylon doesn't mean that you're supposed to believe what I'm telling you blindly. That's why I gave you the bibliography last night. You've got to go out and find the truth from your own research, and I'm the only one who ever tells you that. Everybody else wants you to believe verbatim what they say because they're saying it and who they are. And I'm tell you not to believe anybody, not even me -- not even your own mother -- unless you can verify it in your own work, your own research. Make sure that you do it, too.

[reading from The New World Order, written by A. Ralph Epperson]:

"[Now] the Bible[, folks,] discusses of a being called Lucifer in both the Old and New Testaments..."

[William Cooper]: And we're going to be talking a lot about the Bible tonight because we have to look at this from every point of view. We've looked at it from the Mystery Schools. We've looked at it logically, we've looked at it historically. Now we're going to look at it from the Bible's point of view, but not strictly from the Bible's point of view. But you need to know this.

"The Bible discusses a being called Lucifer in both the Old and New Testaments. Other names for this creature are Satan, and the Devil.

"One of the first explanations of just who this being known as Lucifer is, is found in the Old Testament in a book written by the prophet Isaiah, who wrote around 740 B.C. He wrote that Lucifer was created 'full of wisdom,' and was 'perfect.' He was created the 'anointed cherub that covereth the throne of God,' and that he actually was 'upon the holy mountain of God.' He later 'corrupted [his] wisdom by reason of [his] brightness.' The Bible then records that God 'cast [him] to the ground.'

"Isaiah wrote this in Isaiah [chapter 14, verse 12]: 'How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations!'"

[William Cooper]: And, folks, this was the very first, very first recorded UFO sighting. If, indeed, it was a sighting at all.

"'For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also up on the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like The Most High.'

"Luke, a writer in the New Testament, records in Luke [chapter 10, verse 18], that Jesus said that he beheld ' lightning fall from heaven.' Peter records in II Peter [chapter 2, verse 4] that God has 'spared not the angels...that sinned, but cast them down' as well.

"Paul, another New Testament writer, wrote this about Lucifer in II Corinthians [chapter 11, verse 14], in about 57 A.D.: 'And no marvel, for Satan [has] transformed into an angel of light.' And in II Thessalonians [chapter 2, verse 9], Paul wrote that Satan was capable of working 'lying wonders.'

"[At] around 90 A.D., John, the author of the book known as Revelation, wrote in Revelation [chapter 12, verse 9], that Satan was a 'dragon.'

"Lucifer shows up in the original site of human habitation on earth, called the Garden of Eden. The creator God placed Adam, the first man (and later Eve, the first woman) in this garden, but told them that there were certain rules that they had to abide by. [And] these are spelled out in Genesis [chapter 2, verses 16 and 17]: 'And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree in the garden thou mayst freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die.'

"Later, Lucifer spoke through a serpent to Eve, but in reality to both men and women: 'Yea, hath God said: Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden [the tree of the knowledge of good and evil] God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, lest ye die.

"'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.'

"So, from the above information, it's possible to glean a little knowledge about the nature of Lucifer:

"1. He was cast down from heaven, because he desired to ascend directly into the seat of heavenly power, the throne of God.

"2. He is referred to as the 'son of the morning.' This appears to be a reference to Lucifer being similar to the sun, which also rises every morning.

"[3.] His desire [number three, his desire] is to sit on the north side of the mountain of God.

"[4.] Lucifer can deceive the world, [this is number four. Lucifer can deceive the world,] because he has been transformed into an 'angel of light.'

"[5.] [And five,] Lucifer can work 'lying wonders.'

"Now, with those basic understandings[, folks,] of Lucifer in place, it will be possible to examine the views of others about this fallen entity. However, not all agree with the picture of Lucifer being evil. [For] Albert Pike wrote [this]: '...there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness and in eternal controversy with God.'

"In fact, Mr. Pike believes that Lucifer was not a force of evil, but could be a force for good [and] he wrote this in Morals and Dogma:"

[William Cooper]: Which I forgot to give you yesterday in the bibliography. That's another one folks, write it down: Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike. Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike. He wrote this in Morals and Dogma:

"'For the Initiates [those initiated into the true secrets of Masonry] this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil.'

"To further amplify that belief of Mr. Pike's, it becomes important to quote a letter that he wrote on July the 14th, 1889 to the 23 Supreme Councils of the world. Judging from the contents of this letter, it appears that Mr. Pike was attempting to tell the leaders of the various Supreme Councils all over the world that they were to know that Lucifer was the secret god of the Masons. This letter clearly indicates that he believed the position that Lucifer was a god who had come to earth for the good of mankind. [And] he wrote this:

"'That which we must say to the crowd is [presumably, Mr. Pike meant that the 'crowd' was all of the non-Masons, [and] the public at large...[William Cooper: that which we must say to the crowd is]] We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition.'

"[So] it appears that on the purposes of this letter was to advise all of the top ranking Masons that they were to concoct a story that the Masons worshiped the 'traditional' God, so that none could ever accuse them of worshiping a cherub, a non-god, by the name of Lucifer. In other words, they were to deny that Lucifer was their god whenever an outsider was smart enough to break through all of the secrets and figure it out."

[William Cooper]: Well, of course, folks, they were sworn to secrecy! They would have to deny anything about the true secrets of their order. I mean, what kind of logic is this? That's plain as the nose on your face. You must understand that when you ask a Mason a question about Freemasonry, he's going to tell you a lie because he is sworn to secrecy. And he is sworn by blood oaths. And I know that, by the time they reach the 32nd degree, they taken at least 32 different oaths swearing them to secrecy. Minimum. So, you should know this already.

[William Cooper]: Now, let's continue, but I'm going to go back and read that part over.

"It appears that one of the purposes of this letter was to advise all of the top ranking Masons that they were to concoct a story that the Masons worshiped the 'traditional' God, so that none could ever accuse them of worshiping a cherub, a non-God' by the name of Lucifer. [William Cooper: It's very important.] In other words, they were to deny that Lucifer was their god whenever an outsider was smart enough to break through all of the secrets and figure it out."

[William Cooper]: As I, and many others, have done. As A. Ralph Epperson has done.

"So the secret inside the Masonic order is that Lucifer is their secret god. Any non-Mason today who attempts to explain any of their Masonic friends or relatives that this is the secret inside the Lodge, will be met with an instantaneous denial. Every Mason, whether they know the secret of the Lodge or not, will obviously deny the accusation [because they must].

"Mr. Pike continued: 'You may repeat it to the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.'"

[William Cooper]: You see, Albert Pike at that time was at the head of all the lodges of Freemasonry of the world, and at the head of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in the United States of America.

"Here, Mr. Pike seems to indicate that it is the 30th, 31st and 32nd degrees that are to be taught the 'Luciferian doctrine.' The direct evidence that the honorary 33rd degree is formally taught that Lucifer is the Great Architect of the Universe will be presented later. But, here Pike seems to say that that lesson is to be taught at an earlier degree. 'If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay [the God of the Christians and the Jews] and his priests calumniate [which is] [defined as spreading false and harmful statements about or to slander] him?'"

[William Cooper]: Would they calumniate him?

"Pike makes two incredible statements about Lucifer:

"1. He is considered to be a god! and

"2. The priests, and the rabbis, have it all backwards, and are all slandering his name.

"As has been illustrated, the Bible states that Lucifer is nothing more than a fallen cherub. He's not a god. Yet Mr. Pike clearly states that Lucifer is a god! [William Cooper: Now, how can that be?]

"And secondly, those who claim that he is the 'wicked one' are 'slandering' him. Those individuals have it all wrong!

"Mr. Pike continued: '...the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay;'

"Adonay, also spelled [William Cooper: well, in the first place here, it's spelled A-D-O-N-A-Y, then he says 'Adonai,' also spelled A-D-O-N-A-I], is the Hebrew word for God. To show that Pike was referring to the God of the Bible, he wrote this in his book entitled Morals and Dogma: '...Adonai, the rival of Bal and Osiris.'

[William Cooper]: In other words, Adonay is Typhon. That's an aside from me, folks, that's not written in this book. But as you been listening to this series I've given you, you know that Adonay, if this is true, if he's the rival of Baal and Osiris, then he is Typhon.

"As has been illustrated, Osiris is the sun-god, as the sun has been shown as a symbol of Lucifer. Adonai is the 'rival' of Lucifer, both in the Bible, and in the writings of Albert Pike. 'But Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.'

"[And] here once again Mr. Pike writes that Lucifer and Adonay are rivals, and that the religious world has it all backwards: Lucifer is the 'good [guy],' and Adonay is the God of 'evil and darkness.'

"(The author would like to interrupt the narrative to make an observation...)"

[William Cooper]: And this observation is being made by A. Ralph Epperson, not me. He wrote this book.

"(That authenticity of that letter by Albert Pike that was just quoted has been questioned by a variety of writers. It has been reported that Mr. Pike made these comments in an 'encyclical' hand carried to a meeting of [the] 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14th, 1889 in Paris, France.

"This author [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] is willing to concede that the only evidence for the contents of this 'encyclical' consists of it being quoted in a book written by Frenchman named A. C. de la Rive entitled La Femme et l' Enfant dans la Ranc-Maconnerie Universelle.)"

[William Cooper]: I'm not a French speaker, folks, so that's the best I could do. My tongue doesn't do those things, or at least I haven't practiced to make my tongue do those things.

"(That title, translated from French to English means 'The Woman and Child in Universal French Masonry.' A copy of that page that contains that quote, and the cover of the book has been supplied to this author [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] by a concerned researcher who had someone locate the book in France for him and make copies of the pertinent pages.

"The author has read another book that contains the English translation of that 'encyclical.' That book is entitled Occult Theocracy and was written in 1933 by Edith Starr Miller. She cites the book by Mr. De La Rive as her source.

"She obviously believed that the letter was true and contained the actual thoughts of Mr. Albert Pike.)"

[William Cooper]: He said it in so many other places, including his own book, Morals and Dogma, that I also believe that the letter is true. And now I'm speaking as myself, William Cooper.

"(In other words, [going back to A. Ralph Epperson's words, in other words,] the only source of the letter is a Frenchman who quotes it in his book and not Mr. Albert Pike himself. It must be assumed that Mr. Pike, if we were alive today and was asked whether the letter was his, would deny that he ever wrote such an 'encyclical,' whether or not he not he had written it [William Cooper: because he must be sworn to maintain the secrets]. But, the reader is admonished to remember that if he did indeed worship Lucifer, and wrote the 'encyclical,' he would certainly have to deny it.' So that answer would tell the researcher nothing.

"It is the contention of this writer, [A. Ralph Epperson,] and others who are attempting to decipher the secret symbols of the Masonic Order, that a small percentage of the Masons know that all of the symbols inside the Lodge refer to Lucifer.)"

[William Cooper]: And I am one of those who believe this, folks. My research has shown it to be absolutely true, and I can prove it. And I've already, I've already, given you direct quotes from many Freemasons that already prove it.

"(And it must remembered that these Masons must of necessity do all that they can to deny any [any revelation of any of the secrets of the Lodge].

"And certainly anyone today who believes that the contents of the letter are a fraud would do all that they could to discredit anyone who said that the thoughts were the actual thoughts of Pike.

"However, this writer [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] is of the opinion that Mr. Pike did indeed worship Lucifer, and is not basing that conclusion on just this one letter. Notice that Mr. Pike has written elsewhere that he considered Lucifer to be the secret god of the Masonic Lodge.)"

[William Cooper]: And I, William Cooper, also found that to be true. Not only in one or two letters, but in many instances.

"(So, it is not essential to this writer [A. Ralph Epperson's position] that this 'encyclical' be proven to be valid. It is the author's contention that there is ample evidence from other sources, including from Masons other than Mr. Pike, that the secret god inside the Masonic lodges is Lucifer [William Cooper: and I wholeheartedly concur with Mr. Epperson]. That evidence is available to anyone who cares to locate it.)

"But there is another Mason who knows that Lucifer is the 'good god' of a particular segment of the Masons. Pike's fellow 33rd degree Mason, Manly P. Hall, also felt that this 'god' was a 'god of good.' He wrote in his book entitled The Secret Teachings of All Ages:

"'Sun worship played an important part in nearly all the early pagan Mysteries. The Solar Deity...was slain by wicked ruffians, who personified the evil principle of the universe. By means of certain rituals and ceremonies, symbolic of purification and regeneration, this wonderful god of good was brought back to life and became the savior of His people.' [(emphasis by Epperson)]

"This 'god' who came back to life is not the Jesus of the Bible, because Mr. Hall refers to him as 'The Solar Deity.' He is referring to the death and resurrection of Osiris, covered in detail in the Masonic rituals."

[William Cooper]: And I've already, I've already relayed to you who Osiris really is. In fact, in this series of the Mystery Religion, I've proven it time and time and time again.

"[But] Manly P. Hall has further identified Lucifer as the god of some of his fellow Masons. He has written this in his book entitled The Lost of Keys of Freemasonry [It's one of the books that I gave you last night, folks]:

"'When the Mason learns the key to the warrior of the block is the proper application of the dynamo of the living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.'

"Mikhail Bakunin, the Russian anarchist, also addressed this question of evil and good gods. He wrote: 'The Evil One is the satanic revolt against divine authority, revolt in which we see the fecund [defined as being fertile] germ of all human emancipations, the revolution.

"'Socialists recognize each other by the words "In the name of the one to whom the great wrong has been done."

"'Satan[, folks, is] the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes men ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.'

[William Cooper]: You see, I've been telling you all along that Socialists and the Mystery Religion of Babylon are the same, the same, the same, and now in his book A. Ralph Epperson has proven it.

"That thought that Lucifer was a 'good spirit, to whom a great wrong' has been done, is the basic thought that holds the New Age together, according to Texe Marrs, the author of two major books on the subject. [And] he has written: 'Many New Agers commend Lucifer because by tempting Eve he enabled man to evolve toward enlightened knowledge and godhood.'"

[William Cooper]: Remember, I told you that, with the gift of intellect, man will develop technology that will make him God? They're working feverishly in laboratories now to uncover the secret of immortal life.

"Mr. Marrs discusses the thoughts of a leader in a mystical organization called the Stelle Group [William Cooper: How many times have I mentioned that? The Stelle Group.], named Eklal Kueshana. He writes...this New Age leader says that:

"'Lucifer is the head of a secret Brotherhood of Spirits...the Brotherhood is named after Lucifer because the great Angel Lucifer has been responsible for the abolishment of Eden in order that men could begin on the road to spiritual advancement.'"

[William Cooper]: Lars Hanson was reared in The Stelle Group. Lars Hanson was reared in The Stelle Group. Tom Valentine was a member of The Stelle Group. Tom Valentine wrote a book called The Life and Death of Planet Earth. Get it, read it, folks.

[William Cooper]: Tom Valentine was associated with the Communist party. Now he's a member of the Liberty Lobby, which came right out of the old German Nazi Bund. They used to sing the Horst Wessel song at the beginning of their meetings. Wake up! Wake up! Wake up! Why do you think every time somebody calls Tom Valentine to ask him about Freemasonry and their complicity in the conspiracy? He covers it up and hangs up on the person as quickly as possible and denies that there's any complicity of Freemasonry.

[William Cooper]: Now, this makes me a little hot under the collar. I've got to cool down a little bit, so we're going to take a break. Folks, don't go away, I'll be right back after this very short pause.

(break music: none)

Well, folks, I needed that little break. I will tell you right now, Tom Valentine has been attacking me for years because he knows that I know who he is and what he's about, that I know the origins of the Liberty Lobby, that I know their message is that our government is no good. It doesn't work, that it's turned against us and it's all lies. Where it's the people who are in these secret societies who have turned against us who are delivering that message to us to get us to voluntarily overthrow or get rid of our own government, the only government in the history of the world that is ever set man free! And I'm the only one who let's you know this. It's not our government, it's not the Constitution, it's not the Bill of Rights, it's not the structure. It's the secret societies. It's the Tom Valentines. It's the Bo Gritzes. It's all of these people who belong to Freemasonry and the Ancient Order of the Rose and Cross, and the Knights Templar, and the sovereign and military Order of the Knights of Malta, and the order of St. John of Jerusalem and many more. Many more. Socialists, international socialism under many, many different names. You see, folks, you see? (laughs)

The senator was right. Senator McCarthy was absolutely right, he was correct. He just didn't know the proper name. He thought he was ferreting out Communism...he wasn't. You see, if he understood that what I understand, then he would have survived the attacks of the very people he was trying to ferret out, who owned the media that turned against him and destroyed him. Hollywood, who turned against him, destroyed him through manipulating the opinion of the public. See, Communism, folks, is just a word. It's another bugaboo enemy. (laughs) The real enemy, folks, is Mystery Babylon. I could never say what I said tonight before, because if I had, it would have been misinterpreted. I had to have independent verification that The Stelle Group worshiped Lucifer before I could reply legitimately to attacks upon me by Tom Valentine. Because if I had told you what I know without independent verification, all of you would have turned against me as being a poor sport or some other bullshit. It's a real load off my chest to be able to deliver that message to you. I can tell you that right now. Real load off my chest.

Let me continue, and remember, this is chapter nine of A. Ralph Epperson's book, The New World Order.

[continuing reading from The New World Order]:

"So there's a basic disagreement about the nature of Lucifer, also known as Satan or the devil. The Bible depicts him as a force for evil, and Mr. Pike, and others, picture him as a force for good.

"But the connection between Lucifer and the Ancient Mysteries needs to be further amplified. The Mysteries had a purpose: to create a super man..."

[William Cooper]: Where have you heard that before? Hitler said it, and they're working in secret laboratories right now toward the same goal.

"The Mysteries had a purpose: to create a super man, one capable of understanding the true nature of the universe, and to worship the 'true' god. W. L. Wilmshurst, a Mason, wrote these thoughts in his book entitled The Meaning of Masonry:

"'This -- the evolution of man into supermen -- was always the purpose of the ancient Mysteries, and the real purpose of modern Masonry is, not the social and charitable purposes to which so much attention is paid, but the evolution of those who aspire to perfect their own nature, and transform it into more god-like quality.'"

[William Cooper]: Indeed, I say as an aside here what a Freemason said to a friend of mine who was his son. He said, “Son, if you are not one of us, you are nothing.” And, of course, the son was not one of them, and to his great credit, has never become one of them.

"[W. L. Wilmshurst] amplified this thought a little later in his book: 'Man who has sprung from the earth [meaning that he was not created by a creator God] and developed through the lower kingdoms of nature to his present rational state, has yet to complete his evolution by becoming a god-like being and unifying his consciousness with the Omniscient ~ to promote which is and always has been the sole aim and purpose of all Initiation.'

"[And he goes on:] 'No higher level of attainment is possible than that in which the human merges in the Divine consciousness and know as God knows.'"

[William Cooper]: (laughs) What have I been telling you all this time, folks?

"So, just as Satan tempted mankind with the ability to know good and evil themselves just like God, without His assistance, now the Masons are teaching that they too could become a god through an initiation into the Ancient Mysteries.

"John Anthony West, in his book Serpent in the Sky, wrote this in support of Mr. Wilmshurst's statement:

"'Egypt started with the concept of divine attributes within man. The gods are not brought down to earth; rather man is raised to the gods.'

"Others besides the above mentioned Masons, like Louis Feuerbach, have joined the discussion with similar thoughts. He was a nineteenth century philosopher and a hero of the Communists like Karl Marx. In fact, Frederick Engels, the co-worker with Karl Marx during the time Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto [William Cooper: as a hired writer hack], wrote this about his friend:

"'All the Communists of 1845 were followers of [Louis] Feuerbach...'

"The reason the Communists supported the ideas of Feuerbach is apparent when the student reads his writings. [For] he wrote: 'Man alone is our God, our father, our judge, our redeemer, our true home, our law and our rule, the Alpha and the Omega of our life and our political, moral, public and domestic activity. There is no salvation, save through the medium of man.'

"John Denver, the well known popular singer, has adopted this same philosophy about his divinity. He has been quoted as saying this after his new conversion: 'It's the single, most important experience of my life -- I can do anything. One of these days, I'll be so complete I won't be human; I'll be a god.'"

[William Cooper]: It's the same thing that's taught in the Mormon church. If a married couple produced many children and conformed to the teachings of the church, then when they die, they will be gods and they will be given a planet of their own, and they will continue their reproduction, only they will be souls and they will populate the planet and will be the gods of the planet.

[William Cooper]: What crap! What absolute crap! Where do these people get their egos? "I'll be a god!" Yeah, sure you will. (laughs) If you guys are all gods, then how come you still got to pay your bills? How come you get sick? And how come you got to go to the doctor? And if you go to the doctor, what does that make the doctor if you're god? Huh?

[William Cooper]: You're a bunch of fools. You're blithering idiots. You've lost your mind, your egos have run away with the rest of you and you're going to die like everyone else. And you're going to find, like everyone else, what really happens when people die. And as far as I know, no one on this Earth really knows, or is likely to know, 'til it happens to them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

"Mr. Hall, the Mason, stated a similar thought when he wrote this in his book entitled Lectures on Ancient Philosophy:

"'We may study the star intellectually, but we have never attained consciousness until we are the star.'

"But this idea that man could become a god is not new. The Bible anticipated it, and Isaiah wrote about it back in 741 B.C. This is what he wrote in Isaiah [chapter 43, verse 10]: 'Thus saith the Lord...understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.'

"And once again, in Isaiah [chapter 45, verse 5]: 'I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me...'

[William Cooper]: And remember, all the Roman emperors declared themselves god, and they all died like every other man, and died (some of them) by the assassin's sword or knife. God, yeah, mm-hmm. Boy, you guys just take the cake, I'll tell you. How you can meet and throw that bologna around at each other and swallow it and pump each other up. To believe that you're gods or going to be gods is beyond my understanding.

"The Bible teaches that there is but one God, and that mankind has no possibility of sharing His godhead.

"One who apparently has not believed those statements in the Bible is Shirley MacLaine, who has become a spokesman for the position that man can become a god. She has written several books on the subject of her support of the New Age. (Newsweek magazine described her as 'The New Age evangelist.') [And] she wrote the following statement in her book entitled Dancing in the Light: '...we are part of God...' and this elsewhere in the same book: '...if one says audibly I am God, the sound vibrations literally align the energies of the body to a higher attunement.'"

[William Cooper]: Yeah, I bet it does. Yep, yep, I bet the insanity molecules take over every portion of the body, and you really all feel great until you have to go pay your rent, or you catch the flu, or somebody just knocks the crap out of you to bring you back to reality. Which is exactly what should happen when you do those kinds of things. What's wrong with just living life peacefully with other people and enjoying what we have? What's the big thing that you have to become God? And I'll tell ya right now, you never will. You might as well just....well, never mind. If you want to be God, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're deceiving yourself, and that's OK as long as you don't hurt anyone else.

"If each man is a god, mankind is capable of making decisions for their own welfare. Each man has complete control of his decision-making, according to Miss MacLaine. In fact, man's control is extended into areas few have ever claimed for mankind. [And] these are the thoughts of Miss MacLaine:

"'I think we choose to be together...We choose our parents, and I think the parents choose the children they want to have before they ever come into an incarnation.'"

[William Cooper]: Tell that to an abused child. Tell that to a child who's raised by drunken, miserable, stinking parents who don't give a damn about the child. Tell that to all those people who know that that's total false, irresponsible, ramblings of an insane maniac. And you know what they say when they're confronted with this? They say you agreed to it in a previous life, and that you're, you're paying off your karmic debt. You see, they have a rationalization for everything, and it's just more bullshit. More lies, more crap.

"She went further to record another strange thought, when she wrote this: '...there is no such thing as reality, only perception.'"

[William Cooper]: Well, Shirley, let me tap you on the jaw with my fist, and then you tell me that there's no reality. Of course, I don't really want to do that, folks, but that's just a way to bring her to her senses. If it were legal, I might try it. Might try it. Might wake her up. Might show her that her perception is only reality. (laughs)

"One can only wonder where Miss MacLaine got these bizarre thoughts from. Several clues that can assist the student in understanding her have been given by either her own revelations or some articles that have appeared about her in the media.

"In her book entitled Out on a Limb, she wrote about her meetings with her married lover in her apartment."

[William Cooper]: (laughs) This god is breaking up somebody's marriage, and she's meeting with her married lover in her apartment.

"She commented that he looked at her shelf of books on, amongst other subjects: 'Marxists theory,' including a 'biography of Karl Marx.'"

[William Cooper]: It was wrong with that [sic], I have those books in my library and many more. Many more. But knowing, knowing Shirley MacLaine, and folks, I do, knowing this scatterbrained twit, when she has books on Marxists theory, including a barred biography on Karl Marx, you can bet that she's a Socialist. And of course, she is.

"Parade magazine of December 18th, 1988 had an article on Miss MacLaine which it revealed that her den had 'lots of framed pictures: Shirley with...Fidel Castro, and with [Communist] Nikita Khrushchev [amongst others.]' The magazine reported how Shirley and her lover: 'talked about Democratic-Socialist principles and how it was possible to have them both at the same time if the rich would only share their wealth more.'

"Elsewhere in her book, she wrote about how much of a hypocrite she was when she added this contradictory statement [and they all do]: '...wanted to talk to him...about how I had made a lot of money and that it made me feel elite in a world that was broke to know I could buy just about anything I wished for.'"

[William Cooper]: Just like Jane Fonda, who's been pushing for gun control for years, who was stopped by law enforcement officers on the freeway and her car was found to contain many pistols and weapons, firearms. Hypocrites and liars.

"However, nowhere in her book did she say that she had freely donated any of her own wealth to the relief of the poor. Apparently she believes that the Communist ideas about wealth sharing are acceptable only [if] she does not have to share her wealth like she wants the other rich to do."

[William Cooper]: You see, most rich purport to be Socialist but, in actual practice, none of them really are. None of them would give away their wealth to the poor, ever. Yet, they pretend to be liberal, Socialist, Marxist. In reality, they demonstrate exactly the opposite. They're liars and hypocrites. For the whole Communist, Socialist idea is for the little people, you and I, who are to be their slaves in the New World Order.

"Miss MacLaine has since gone on a nationwide tour promoting her newfound religious views to the public. Newsweek magazine reported in 1987 that she had made a great deal of money explaining her new thoughts to others: 'Since MacLaine began her tour in...[1987,] more than 10,000 people in 15 cities have paid $300 admission fee.'"

[William Cooper]: Well, you know me, folks. I have absolutely nothing against that. If she could have got $1000 a head admission fee, that would be OK with me.

"[Now,] 10,000 times $300 equals 3 million dollars."

[William Cooper]: I still have no complaint with that. This is the United States of America. If somebody wants it, give it to them. If they want to pay it, if they're that stupid, that's fine with me. I believe that people should be giving somebody something though, but I also believe that if they're stupid enough to pay it, then they should be taken. That's how you learn. And a lot of people would disagree with me, but I'm sorry folks, I'm sorry. That's what I believe.

"Obviously, Shirley's tours have proven to be both popular and lucrative. The Newsweek article on her seminar mentioned a little of what she teaches in them. The following are a few of her comments:

"'The Earth is moving off its axis,' she says, and only the 'collective consciousness' of mankind can right it. For the spiritually inclined, 'a window of light' will appear on those days [August 16th and 17th, 1987] that MacLaine says will 'allow us to rise to a higher plain of cosmic understanding.'"

[William Cooper]: Pure bullshit. Pure crap. Pure New Age mesmerism, if you will, for nothing happened on those dates.

"'Evangelist' MacLaine became 'Doctor' MacLaine when she reported some of her new cures for two of the world's most serious problems: AIDS and cancer of the abdomen. According to the Newsweek article, she told her audience:

"'They [or] [those who paid to hear her in the 15 cities of the tour] all got to hear MacLaine's pronouncements on such subjects as AIDS (she thinks sufferers are sick because they have been "bereft of love necessary to sustain the balance" of health); and cancer (for cancer of the abdomen, she advises "putting patients in a yellow room because yellow is the color 'frequency' of that part of the body.")'"

[William Cooper]: More New Age mesmerism bullshit crap.

"And to think her 'patients' only have to pay $300 for such wisdom!

"But 'Doctor' MacLaine is not as dumb as one might think. The Newsweek article reported: '...everyone who attended had to sign waivers absolving the seminar's organizers from responsibility [from] psychological injury.' [William Cooper: How clever! How clever of Ms. MacLaine!]

"So someone in charge of arranging her seminars is aware that her ideas might cause psychological damage to those attending, and they have moved to protect her from malpractice lawsuits.

"Not not only was this 'New Age evangelist' making money on her personal lecture tours, she was also making money on her best selling books."

[William Cooper]: Now, I don't know what's wrong with A. Ralph Epperson. I don't know why he's saying this because he purports to believe in the Constitution and the principles and ideals upon which this country was based. And there is nothing wrong with making money on anyone's personal lecture tours or on their books. And I can tell you right now, that A. Ralph Epperson makes money on his lecture tours and on his books and that's how he makes his living. So as far as I'm concerned, that is a partial discreditation of A. Ralph Epperson.

"As of July, 1987, her book entitled Out on a Limb, had sold 3 million copies, and her other major seller, Dancing in the Light, had sold 2.2 million."

[William Cooper]: Could he be jealous? Is it possible that A. Ralph Epperson is jealous of Shirley MacLaine's ability to sell books?

"Time magazine reported that her 'five books on self-exploration and self-promotion have run to more than 8 million copies.'"

[William Cooper]: Now, to me that's admirable. If someone can write something that is so desirable by 8 million people that it sells 8 million copies, I don't care what they're writing about. That's admirable. She's providing an income for herself, her family and people are obviously buying her books because they want them. Therefore, she's supplying them with a service, whether it's bullshit or not, it doesn't matter. That's the American way, folks. That's what it's all about. There was a lot of people back in the early part of the century who hated automobiles, and therefore, Henry Ford was the devil. But he sold an awful lot of them, and when [sic] he came under the criticism of a lot of people for doing it.

[William Cooper]: Sorry folks, that's the American way. As far as I'm concerned, what A. Ralph Epperson is spouting in these few sentences here is Socialism. And I admire him for his research and what he's done, and I know that he makes his living selling books and lecturing. And for him to spout the Socialist attitude when he is doing the same thing is not acceptable. And he is a friend of mine and I will certainly bring this to his attention. You know, I read this book a long time ago and I had forgotten that he had said these things, but I will certainly bring this to his attention. In fact, we may talk about it on the air when he's a guest of the show, and he will be a guest of the show very shortly. So, you can look forward to some kind of explanation of this.

"[He says] it appears that selling the New Age religion can be very profitable!"

[William Cooper]: Well, Barnum and Bailey was very profitable and it was all an illusion, just like the New Age religion.

"But, in summary, perhaps the most cogent comment on the battle between the New [Agers] and the Christians was made by Nesta Webster in her book entitled Secret Societies:

"'The war now begins between the two contending principles: the Christian conception of man reaching up to God, and the secret society...conception of man as God, needing no revelation from on high, and no guidance but the law of his own nature.

"'And since that nature is in itself divine, all that springs from it is praiseworthy, and those acts usually regarded as sins are not to be condemned.'

[William Cooper]: You heard me say before that in the New World Order the law will be: Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. And it will.

"The battle lines are drawn between those who believe in a creator God, and those who believe than man can become god. These are the two opposing positions. And the battle between them[, dear listeners,] has [most certainly] begun."

[William Cooper]: Now, don't get too upset for my criticism of the few paragraphs that A. Ralph Epperson wrote condemning Shirley MacLaine's ability to write books and lecture and bring in a lot of money. For I am sure that in his zeal, which many of us get carried away with, in his zeal to condemn the worship of Lucifer and the secret societies, he carried it a little too far. We'll bring it up when he's a guest on the show, for I am a little curious about it myself. But I haven't jumped off the edge...let's put it that way.

Good night, and may God bless you all.

(closing music: Walk on the Water, performed by Credence Clearwater Revival)


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