William Cooper's Mystery Babylon: Part 21 – William Morgan Interview, Part II

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Tonight's episode: part two of the interview with William Morgan, CAJI member. We have infiltrated the lodge, folks. Hear it yourself from the lips of a 32nd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite of the Southern Jurisdiction.


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Well, as you probably already know, folks, we only use the very best music on this program, the Hour of the Time. That was U2 and I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For. You know, many of you write and ask why I let the music go on through the whole selection instead of fading it out and then bringing in the program. And I do that, folks, out of sincere admiration and respect for the talent and the performance of the writer of the music, the lyrics, and, of course, those who perform. I love music, if you haven't guessed that already.

Tonight is part two of our interview with William Morgan, and many of you are wondering if that's his real name. No, it is not. We protect CAJI members. We never tell anyone how many CAJI members we have, we're they're at, what their names are, anything. None of that information is given out, not even to other CAJI members. Now, we use the code name, or the pseudonym, of William Morgan, simply because the name William Morgan is significant in the past of the (laughs) secret society called Freemasonry. William Morgan was murdered by Freemasons after having revealed, printed in a book, some of the secrets of the lodge, and this was done back in the 1800s. Of course, the fraternity of Freemasons denies they murdered William Morgan. However, their version differs significantly from the official version and from the proof and the evidence that we have spent many, many hundreds of man-hours digging up, and one of these nights we're going to do a program just entirely on the murder of William Morgan.

[William Cooper (WC)]: Will, welcome back to the Hour of the Time.

[William Morgan (WM)]: Thank you, Bill. It's a pleasure to be here, and I'm really proud and happy to be here, and doing what I'm doing.

[WC]: You know, I don't think a lot of people realize that you're risking your life by doing this. The oaths that you have taken, albeit, because they were fraudulent. You thought that you were making an oath to the God of the Bible and, in fact, you were making an oath to Lucifer, which nullifies those oaths. But they still, the Brotherhood, the Order, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, could still carry out the threat of those oaths, which is murder, is that not correct?

[WM]: Absolutely correct. No matter what I may personally feel about it, or what common law or the actual law may view about those oaths [I've] taken, the Masons that are involved consider them to be absolutely applicable to any transgression. And they have been enforced, and the bloody punishments that are part of the oaths have happened to Masons before, and they will happen again, I'm sure.

[WC]: Now, you are what degree? Let's get that out to the people in case we have some new listeners tonight. What degree are you?

[WM]: I am a 32nd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite of the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States.

[WC]: And what is the official title of that degree?

[WM]: The official title is "The Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret," and that is not only the title of the degree, it's also the title of the ritual that the degree is conferred to. And just to show you how important that is, after going through the ritual and getting the degree conferred upon me, I could not remember anything sublime or, even remember what the secret was that they told me. (laughs)

[WC]: Why is it that you couldn't remember the secrets of the degree?

[WM]: Well, um, that's a bit of a long story and I won't go entirely into it, but it started off the day I was conferred began at six o'clock in the morning, and they just rush through it. There's no memory work to do as in the Blue Lodge, where a person has to memorize the ritual and then give it back. You just sit there and received, in an audience-like capacity. And when it came to swearing the oath, you merely held up your hand and said, "I do." You also did take that oath on kneeling on one knee, as you did in the blue lodge.

[WC]: Now, we talked yesterday after we aired the, after we recorded the last program that aired, I believe Friday on WRNO. And this will air Monday on WRNO. It will air at a different date on WWCR. So, if you're listening on WWCR, don't let these dates confuse you. But we talked and I asked you specifically if there was a part of Freemasonry where you raised your arm to the square, and what was your reply?

[WM]: Yes, there is a part where you raise your arm to the square. The first time I remember doing that action was in the second degree when it was conferred upon me. You raise your right hand as if you're swearing in...actually, it's exactly the same position as if you were swearing in a court of law. Your left hand is placed flatly upon the Holy Bible, or whatever holy text that depend [sic] on the lodge you're in, and your right hand is held at a right angle with the arm extended. And they...an actual square, like an engineer square, is held around the elbow of the arm. That's...you're swearing in a square within a square, so to speak, as the ritual says.

[WC]: Now, if a Freemason were speaking in front of a group of what Masons call "the profane," would it be fair to state that, if the speaker stated something about when he raised his arm to the square, that this could be a recognition signal to notify other Freemasons in the audience that was indeed a Freemason?

[WM]: Knowing what I know, I could hardly see it as anything else. There's no square involved in any other oath swearing ceremony that I ever heard of, ever...not in a court of law, only a square is involved in Masonry. It's one of the, uh, it's one of the primary tools that are symbolically referred to in all the ritual of the Blue Lodge.

[WC]: Now, many of you heard this, this statement made by someone that you all listened to, and I want you to make that connection for yourselves. If you can't make that connection for yourself, then there's no need telling you any more about it anyway. Let's get into some of the ceremonies. How does this start? It begins in the Blue Lodge with the first degree of Entered Apprentice, and it goes up, and you've actually traversed thirty-two degrees of initiation. Are there side roads off of this?

[WM]: Um, yeah...well, it's a bit difficult. The Blue Lodge is where everything begins, and the Blue Lodge where a Mason is initiated at is called the mother lodge from that time after in specific reference to him personally. Now, once you get passed the third degree and become a Master Mason in your Blue Lodge, you are able to hold an officer, or hold a chair as an officer inside the lodge, and you can spend up to ten years going through the chairs and become an officer. But after that, you can either go to the Scottish Rite or the Yorkish Rite. There's a fork in the road of Freemasonry, and the Scottish Rite is by far the most popular and, undoubtedly, the most powerful.

[WC]: Now, the York Rite is...has seven degrees, is that true?

[WM]: True, the highest of which being the Knight Templar degree. For all those people out there who think that the Knights Templar is no way associated with Masons, you're dead wrong and you haven't done your homework.

[WC]: In fact, the Knights Templar, when they first began as an organization on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, were not an order commissioned or ordained or approved or even recognized by any church, much less the Catholic church, but were, in fact, an order of the Mysteries. They began with seven degrees, and the seventh degree was the highest degree. And later, as they added degrees, when the Knights Templar were persecuted and, in fact, many of them were put to death, others were driven into hiding in other countries, and, in some other countries, they just changed their names and continued the order. And they eventually reached a number of degrees which was thirty-three. And I took that right out of a very old textbook on the secret societies, which we'll talk about in a later program, and we'll get into that. But what is the significance that you've been told of the system of degrees? Why do you have to go through this?

[WM]: It's considered a road, it's considered a road to "illumination." I really believe that it's more a system of control and self-government. Lodges are pretty unique in America, in that they are self-sustaining and self-governing, even with their own bit of enforcement. All lodges have been granted a charter from a Grand Lodge, and every Grand Lodge in this country has been granted a charter from the United States government to operate on its own and enforce its own laws and constitutions. If a police officer or any law enforcement officer walks into a lodge while in session, not only does he not have arrest power, but that lodge immediately closes.

[WC]: Now, this is something the American people don't know about. Now, if these are lodges, they're in states, they have nothing to do with the federal government, how can they receive a charter from the federal government saying that they're under their own laws, and how it could be the law enforcement officer would not have the authority to arrest, or any of his other authorized duties, in a Freemasonic lodge?

[WM]: It beats the hell out of me, Bill. It's really a bit of a contradiction in terms. You have a government that is actually gone out and given government-type status to a completely and secret [sic], and I think subversive, organization right under its own nose. A similar thing can be seen in the Mormon church and in other secret societies that are not nearly so famous as Freemasonry itself. The government has, by granting this charter, I believe undermined its own stability as a functioning organization.

[WC]: Well, tell us about this charter. Tell us again what you said before. I don't want anyone to miss this because it's very important. It shows how a secret government can be formed, it tell us that these members of these secret societies literally have diplomatic immunity and can get away with whatever they want to get away with. Not only that, but they have their members sitting in the most powerful posts, both within society on local levels and local cities, local counties and state governments, in the higher echelons of the military, and they permeate all the positions of control within the bureaucracy of the federal government. So tell us what this charter is for?

[WM]: OK, it is a...it's a document, put out by the federal government, and it can be any government in the world. To my knowledge, every government in the world that [granted?] has lodges in it, has granted a sovereign charter to the Grand Lodges under its jurisdiction. I really haven't done enough research to speak at length on the nature of the charter, or what it exactly implies universally for Freemasonry, but I do know for a fact that a law enforcement officer--and we have many law enforcement officers in our lodge, from state troopers to policemen to military policemen--that they're not cops when they walked into a lodge. They leave their power, their badges and their guns outside, and they do so willingly. That's a pretty good example, but I think the best example comes from the Knights of Malta, and here's another one for you guys out there that haven't done your homework. I'm reading from the glossary of a book, entitled Freemasonry: A Celebration of the Craft, which is put out by the Craft itself, and it defines Knights of Malta as a Christian, Masonic degree, based upon the medieval Knights Hospitallers, emphasizing the Christian values, the Christian virtues. (laughs) You can leave the Christian out of it if you'd like, but what's interesting about the Knights of Malta is they actually do have diplomatic immunity as an organization. They can bring goods in and out of this country without going through customs, and they cannot be arrested or they cannot be detained or charged with any crime by any law enforcement officer in the country. They are...they're above sovereign. As far as I know, they're above most government officials in the land.

[WC]: That's a fact, and they actually carry diplomatic passports. I know several people personally who are members of the Knights, the Sovereign Order of the Military Knights of Malta, and they carry diplomatic passports and are...they began as citizens of the United States of America. Now, what happens when a police officer, and most police officers, we have discovered, or at least the ones who make law enforcement a career, and most, if not all, judges sitting upon benches in this country are Freemasons. What happens when you're speeding down a highway and you're stopped by a law enforcement officer...what happens when he sees the Masonic emblem on your windshield?

[WM]: Usually what you have is a direct turnaround in attitude. I, myself, am a young man. I get hassled by cops a little bit. It seems like they always cop an attitude when they pulled me over. But when they see the Masonic square and compass on my car, and most importantly, when I flip out my dues paying card, a card that all dues paying Masons carry, the police officer...well, let me just put it this way, I've never once got a speeding ticket or a traffic ticket or have even been harassed in any way when they have known that I am a Mason. It just has not happened. That is my personal experience.

[WC]: So the justice system in this country doesn't really work, and Freemasons are, in effect, exempt from the laws that the rest of us are supposed to follow, is that true?

[WM]: (laughs) Yeah, that could be probably construed as accurate, Bill, although I disagree...it does work, it just doesn't work the way most people think it works (laughs). It works for them and with them and around them, and it works on the rest of you.

[WC]: That's right. Now, what happens when a Freemason goes into court against someone who is not a Freemason, and the judge is a Freemason?

[WM]: OK, well, you have a very subtle interaction that goes on. All Masons are taught secret signs and secret words and secret phrases by...and this is some of the most...this is what they don't want revealed more than anything else. You can stand in a particular position, you can hold your arms in a particular position, you can speak certain words, the "widow's son", "traveling man", key phrases to let this judge know that you are a Mason. And you can almost guarantee the Mason are else he wouldn't be able to lock down a lasting career in the judiciary.

[WC]: That's correct, and that would explain why some people just don't seem to ever get prosecuted for anything, and others, who may commit the same crime or a much lesser offense seem to be inordinately punished, given such a heavy burden of punishment, while others who have done the same thing receive either nothing or a pat of the wrist.

[WM]: Well, brothers look out for each other. It's just the way the system works. It's a buddy system, it's a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours"...as a matter of fact, in the oath that a Mason swears, he swears that he will uphold and defend a Mason, a fellow Mason in any problem that he may encounter; treason and murder alone excepted, but they [left at their] election, which means even if a fellow Mason is a traitor to his country--we know that could never happen--(laughs) he's a traitor to his country, his brother Mason has his own choice whether he wants to turn him in or not. He is not obligated to do so and, obeying the laws of Masonry above the laws of the land, he's probably not going to even consider it.

[WC]: So, in other words, one way of infiltrated and controlling our society and our government, both on a local, state and national level, and the military, is for one of the Freemasons to get into a position where he can then appoint or hire Freemasons below him. When people come to apply for that job, who gets the job?

[WM]: That's self-explanatory, the Mason'll get the job every time. Another part of the oath is that you will look out for the interest of your brother Masons in whatever capacity they may be in. In fact, it could probably be construed that not giving the job to a Mason would bring serious repercussions if discovered inside the lodge. It may even be a violation of the oath.

[WC]: There you go, folks. All of you who have been telling me that I'm full of crap, and that I don't know what I'm talking about and that they haven't infiltrated and appointed their members below them and literally taken over all [levels] of society, both local, state, and federal and the military...you just heard it from the lips of a 32nd degree Freemason. That is exactly how they do it and that is exactly what has been done. You have to understand that, since this country was conceived and brought into reality, Freemasons have controlled it. And their goal, always, from the beginning, was to bring about a one-world totalitarian Socialist government. Our forefathers knew full well the foibles of human nature, and this country was described, in their own words, as the Great Experiment. And the experiment, folks, was to find out if we truly could be responsible, could rule ourselves, would not give in to the foibles of human nature and give our country and our individual freedoms and rights away. But they knew when they did it that that's exactly what would happen, because they were, they were probably the best at understanding human nature of anyone that I've ever read, and I have read all of their writings, letters and works, and the Federalist papers and everything else that they've done. And they knew full well that this people would give away what they built. And they knew that if we could be responsible, if we would not be apathetic, if we would not cave in to the desires of Socialism, to the weaknesses of human nature, that this would have been the New World Order. We have failed, not them. They gave us every chance, folks, so don't get mad at our forefathers. Is this...would you concur with what I just said?

[WM]: I couldn't argue with you and I wouldn't want to start an argument with you, Bill. I have heard high level Masons refer to the United States, in their writings and in person, as a "Mason nation," [that] is erected by them, if you look at the signers of the Declaration of Independence, if you look at the forefathers, you'll see who was involved at the very beginning of this thing. And I'm not saying that all our forefathers were bad or evil, they certainly are not. They created the greatest nation ever known to man. But some of them were Illuminati, and there's just no denying that. The course that they set us upon was, in the end, self-defeating for us.

[WC]: OK, folks, don't go away. We've got to take our break. I'm be right back with William Morgan after this very short pause.


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[WC]: Creedence Clearwater Revival. Before you accuse me, you better look at yourself. (laughs) Oh boy, does that apply to this program, you Freemasons out there. All members of all the secret societies that is subverting the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights...I call them cockroaches, I don't know what the rest of you call them, but that's what they are. They claim to be looking for the light, but every time you turn the light on them, they scurry under the sink...run for cover. You know, it occurs to me that I need to tell you folks out there something. This young man on this program is a member of the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence, and there are literally hundreds of brave men and women all over this country and the world who are gathering information, bringing the truth out into the open. We are all working for freedom. It's the largest and most successful civilian intelligence gathering organization in the world. And our goal is freedom, to preserve freedom in this country, the United States, preserve the Constitution and the Bill of Rights because it's the last bastion, the last wall between us and freedom, and try to institute freedom in all of the rest of the world. That's our only purpose, our only purpose. We are in support of freedom for all peoples, all peoples everywhere. This young man on this show has risked his life to tell you what he's telling you tonight, and if his identity were ever to be discovered, he could be murdered by the secret societies that he is revealing. He is one of my heroes. Most of the people in CAJI who are helping us to do this, most of them are working in intense, secret and dangerous situations. We have people who have infiltrated Satanic organizations and are feeding us the information on their rituals and who they are and what they're all about. And the instant that they were to be discovered, they would be murdered. You don't seem to understand that this organization that I built, the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence, is vital, is vital to the freedom of the United States of America and to the world. The governmental intelligence agencies are in the control of the secret societies and are not working on our behalf and never have been, folks. I hope you understand that. Let's go back to Will. You've got something in front of you, and I believe it's a list of Freemasons throughout history that people would recognize their names, and if they don't readily recognize their names, they could go to any reference book and find these names and their biographies in any library. Would you like to tell our listening audience who some of these people are?

[WM]: Yeah, there's some names you'll really recognize, here. But before I do, let me thank you, Bill Cooper, for reminding me that my brothers might murder me just for telling the truth. Um, here's one: Colonel Buzz Aldrin, Simon Bonner(?), Omar Bradley, Edmund Burke, Richard Byrd, Kit Carson, Walter Chrysler, "Buffalo Bill" Cody, Ty Cobb, Winston Churchill, the list just goes on and on...Gordon Cooper, Edwin Drake, Jack Dempsey, Cecil B. DeMille...

[WC]: You know, you mention Winston Churchill, and one of the things that the listening audience does not know is that not only was Winston Churchill was a Freemason, but so was Harry Truman, and so was Mr. [Joseph] Stalin. So, when they had their meeting at Yalta, here was [sic] three 33rd degree Freemasons deciding the fate of the world. And for all of you who couldn't figure out why they made the decisions that they made at Yalta that so screwed up the world, now you know. Please continue.

[WM]: (laughs) Thanks, Bill. Yeah, they should have just held that Yalta meeting in a lodge and been open about it. OK, here's some more for us: Duke Ellington, Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, Clark Gable, John Glenn, [inaudible], Richard Gatling, inventor of the Gatling gun, Samuel Gompers, Prince Hall, Manly Palmer [Hall]...oh yeah, Joseph Guillotine, who invented the Guillotine, who we'll be seeing that more later [sic]. Oh boy, (laughs) there's just simply not time...Edgar Hoover, Sam Houston...

[WC]: For those of you who did not understand his reference to "we'll be seeing more of the Guillotine later," when the New World Order actually succeeds in taking control of the world, executions will be public, and the secret societies believe in blood atonement. In other words, you can only atone for your wrongdoing by your works, or by the shedding of your blood, blood atonement. So, in these public executions, there will have to be the maximum amount of blood, public executions will be held as a object lesson to the rest of the population not to oppose the New World Order, for it is the most terrible, terrifying experience to see someone literally beheaded. It is intended to cow everyone else, and is, in fact, will be, in fact, a ritualistic sacrifice to the god of the secret societies who, we all now know, is Lucifer, also known as Satan.

[WM]: Yeah, you know, Bill, it just dawned on me just what a fun guy you really are! (laughs) Here's a short list of presidents of the United States who have been Masons: George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, William Taft, Warren Harding, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, and I also know for a fact that George Bush is a Mason and that Ronald Reagan was made a Mason on sight. (laughs) Like I said, the list goes on and on, and these are not even a partial, partial, fraction of a percent of the famous Masons that have existed throughout history.

[WC]: Well, John Wayne was Mason, wasn't he?

[WM]: "The Duke." "The Duke" was a Freemason, absolutely true.

[WC]: And, you know, we're not in any way belittling the accomplishments or the contributions to society of any of these people. We just wanted to let you know that his covers all areas of society, all levels of society, all occupations, and that many famous people whom you all recognize have been...are members of these secret societies. Now, many of them are taken in as window-dressing; in other words, they don't really know what they are a part of. They're told that it's a fraternal organization existing for the good of the community, and of course, in any organization, if you can get famous celebrities to belong, it's a feather in your cap because the public, for some reason, thinks that if a celebrity belongs to something, than there could be nothing wrong with it. What sheeple! What, what total crap! But that's the way people believe.

[WM]: That's absolutely true. Most of the celebrity names that I mentioned in this list are there just simply as window-dressing, to give a good appearance to the Craft. But some of them absolutely are not, and I'm reading from this book, published by a Mason publishing company, and it states that Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, was absolutely and undeniably a Freemason.

[WC]: Did you find Giuseppe Mazzini in there?

[WM]: Yeah, I sure did, I did my homework. Giuseppe Mazzini, 1805-1872, Italian patriot.

[WC]: He was also one of the best friends and corespondents of Albert Pike, who was the head of world Freemasonry for a while, and the head of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in this country. He established, with others, the Ku Klux Klan, the branch of Freemasonry known as B'nai B'rith, which the ADL operates out of, and the ADL, folks, for those of you who don't know it, are under intense investigation now for spying upon agencies and departments of the United States government and police departments, and actually stealing records and passing them on to the secret societies and to the state of Israel. So, you really better wake up out there, and don't give me this stuff that it's the Jews, that it's the blacks, it's this, it's that. It's not. It's not. Ordinary people like you and me, I don't care what their skin color is, I don't care what their religion is, are just like you and me and all they want to do is live in peace. There are elements in organizations and people belonging to all the different ethnic groups, all of the different religions, all of the different organizations, corporations, governments, anything that you want to name, belong to these secret societies. The Jews have been used as scapegoats throughout history. The Freemasonic organization, and the secret societies in general, are racist. They believe that the races, the white Caucasian races in Europe and Germany, England, are the superior race, or the real Israelites. They are the ones who have orchestrated and brought about the state of Israel. They are the ones who maintain the force of Zionism, active in the world. The Mormon church is a great part of this. I mean, if you just give down and dirty on this, you'll find that what I'm telling you is absolutely true. And one of their main weapons that they use against us to divide us against each other, so that while we're running around stabbing each other in the back, they are putting the chains on all of us. And when you are people going to realize that and understand it? All during the Cold War, there were no Russian families sitting around their table plotting on how to do away with Americans, and they're weren't any Americans doing that, either. All of us were concerned with our children, with putting food on the table, with educating our children, with trying to build some kind of good life. That's all that ordinary people care about. It doesn't matter what race they belong to, what religion they belong to...

[WM]: Bravo, Bill. If there's a lesson that the listeners can go home with, that is...it's that, stop this racist divisionism, come together and see the enemy for who it is. I should...like I said on your program, you cannot be...you cannot enjoy the protection of the secret societies forever. With a little bit of homework, you can find out how financed Hitler in World War II. And, anybody that had knows [sic] history knows that as soon as Hitler got to where he was at in power [sic], who did he initiate a [power grab] against? It wasn't just Jews. He got rid of all the Freemasons who were the window-dressing in German and in Austria, who put him in where he was at and protected his interests...he zapped them. He nuked them. They were gone, they joined the Jews and gypsies in the concentration camps and they were never heard from again. And to this day, many German Freemasons wear a small flower on their lapel in remembrance of that tragic event. You cannot enjoy that protection forever. You are doomed to fail if you depend on these people for your life.

[WC]: That's correct. Now remember, the primary method they use is this: conflict creates change. They create the conflict that they know will bring about the solution that they want. They get it to appear as if the people are screaming for the solution, and then they give it to them. Something that the people would never accept it in the first place. But remember, conflict creates change. They believe in the Hegelian principle of conflict resolution. You have a thesis, an antithesis, and these...the clash of these two creates the solution to the problem, which they've been aiming for all along. Now, you also have to understand that controlled conflict creates desired results, or change. So, the method bringing about controlled conflict is to have your people leading both sides of the conflict. So, when you talk about Republican or Democrat, forget it! At the highest level, they're both the same. When you talk about Populist versus Communist, or whatever it is, forget it! At the highest level, they all belong to the same organization. When you look around in the Patriot movement, remember, most of the leaders in the Patriot movement are on the same side, and belong to the same organizations, as the leaders of the secret societies that are trying to destroy this country. The conflict between the two, which are trying to create now, will ensure the destruction of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and then they will step forward with the answer: a thousand-years of peace under the United Nations. But you're going to have to make concessions to get it. You're going to have to give up your freedoms, your individual rights, but they will protect you. If you buy that, folks, you are indeed a fool. Does this confirm what you've discovered in your quest for the truth?

[WM]: It certainly does, it is history repeating itself with empty promises of a Nirvana and Utopia on earth that has never come true, and they always have to be the one to pay for it. Always. These people do not believe in a fair fight. They do not join a race that they have not fixed. They don't take those kinds of risks.

[WC]: You've got about ten seconds. If you had the ability to say something to the American people, and to the world, what would it be?

[WM]: It would be to wake up, folks. Look, you've got an enemy out there that are coming together. There's a convention of Southern Baptists that have come against the Freemasons, meeting in Houston in 15th, 16th, 17th June of this year [sic]. I suggest that you look into that.

[WC]: That's right, folks, and good night. Thank you, Will, for being our special guest, for putting yourself in danger for all of the rest of our freedoms, for freedom of the world. I, for one, appreciate that. You are my hero.

Good night, and may God bless you all.


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